Should I do? Day one, day two or day three? How about day one? Right. Under the Trump administration, it will be the official policy of the United States government that there are only two genders, male and female. [00:00:18] Trump's first day in office is set to be a busy one, following the announcement of an executive order to, quote, stop the transgender lunacy. Take a look. With the stroke of my pen on day one, we are going to stop the transgender lunacy. [00:00:38] And I will sign executive orders to end child sexual mutilation, get transgender out of the military and out of our elementary schools and middle schools and high schools, and we will keep men out of women's sports. [00:01:01] And that will likewise be done on day one. Now, this threat has been growing for a while now within the Trump campaign. And prior to this announcement, Trump announced last month his plan to remove all transgender members from the US military. Despite almost all branches not reaching recruitment numbers, [00:01:18] the order could come on its first day back in the white House, January 20th. There are believed to be about 15,000 active service personnel who are transgender. They would be medically discharged, which would determine that they were unfit to serve. It would also lead to a ban on trans people joining the military. [00:01:35] Trump did at one point downplay the transgender bathroom debate following incoming representative Sarah McBride's quarrel with Nancy Mace over bathroom access. In a wide ranging interview with time magazine, which just named Trump its person of the year, the president elect was asked if he agreed with McBride that, [00:01:54] as time phrased it, we should all be focused on more important issues than which bathrooms trans people use, Trump replied. I do agree with that. On that, absolutely. Prior to saying he agreed with McBride, Trump declined to answer a question about whether he more broadly believes transgender people should be allowed [00:02:12] to use the restrooms of their choosing. Currently, 14 states have some form of legal limitations on which bathrooms transgender people can use, according to the LGBTQ think tank Movement Advancement Project. I don't want to get into the bathroom issue because it's a very small number [00:02:28] of people we're talking about, and it's ripped our country apart, so they'll have to settle whatever the law finally agrees. Trump's official announcement of the reach of his executive order, though, comes at the same time ESPN is reporting Biden's decision to abandon his efforts to provide protections to transgender athletes. [00:02:47] According to ESPN, the white House expects to pull back unfinished rules across several agencies if there isn't enough time to finalize them before Trump takes office. If the proposed regulations were left in their current state, the next administration would be able to rewrite them and advance [00:03:04] its agenda more quickly for the regulation on transgender students. The Education Department said it is withdrawing the proposal because of ongoing litigation over how title nine, the landmark law preventing sex discrimination, should handle issues of gender identity. [00:03:22] In addition, the department said there were 150,000 public comments with a range of feedback, including suggestions for modifications that needed to be considered. At this point, the department wrote. We do not intend for a final rule to be issued, per ESPN. [00:03:39] While the withdrawal of the pending regulations doesn't prevent Trump from pushing pursuing his own regulations, he would have to start from scratch, which could take months or years, which, according to Trump's spokesperson Caroline Leavitt, is, quote, adding more red tape and making [00:03:55] it more difficult for Trump to govern. During his speech, he also clumsily announced his plans to go after women's boxing. Take a look. And for all of us standing before you today, I can proudly proclaim that the golden age of America is upon us. [00:04:13] - It is going to be a very good one. - It's going to be a golden age. There's a spirit that we have now that we didn't have just a short while ago. Sadly, we didn't have. Who the hell can have a spirit watching women get beat up in a boxing ring? [00:04:32] I don't think that's spirit. Right. We're going to end that one quick. We're going to end it very quickly. We're going to end that one very quickly. Now, because of how he phrased that, some people think that he could mean he's going after the sport of women's boxing altogether, [00:04:49] but realistically, it's probably that he's going after transgender athletes who also box. It's hard to know because he is so clumsy. But of of all of these regulations, all of these different stances and changes, and, you know, specifically him saying that's what he's going to do. [00:05:06] - How does that make you feel? - So there's two different issues here. One is the general conversation about trans rights. And then there's a specific policies. Right. So when he says on the general note that he's going to make it official policy [00:05:22] that there's only males and females. I don't know what that means. What does that mean that like, are will transgender people not be allowed to register as transgender? Do they have to pick it. But but they they say what their gender is or are you not going to believe them? [00:05:40] Are you going to? I don't understand what he's talking about. And I know that that in the right wing there's this ideology now that, oh, there's no such thing as gender. And so they're making it up. I guess they think that trans people are just making it up and that they're born a boy and they, they, they do feel like a boy, but they just feel like it'll [00:05:58] be cool to be a girl or something. You think people are going to come out in the middle of Nebraska and say, oh yeah, I don't really feel anything, but I think it'll be a fad. It'll be fun to to change my gender. [00:06:15] And and when they're grown ups, go through gender reassignment surgery, etc., and then have all these people yell at me 24 over seven and say, oh, I'm the real problem, and I'm this and I'm that, and then they're going to go through all of that for what? Fun. Because it was a fad. [00:06:30] No, no, it's so this is what bothers me about the right wing way of thinking. If it didn't happen to you, they think it doesn't happen. Say, well, I was growing up and when I was a boy and I thought I was a boy, that's it. Is it possible that someone else might think differently, a different perspective? [00:06:46] Okay, so yeah, they're not making it up. They definitely feel that way. And it takes enormous courage to have, to to go in that direction and say, I'm transgender and do do gender reassignment surgery and I can't imagine anything [00:07:01] that would take more courage than that. So can you just let them be for a second? So did the some leaders in the right wing movement decide that they were going to target trans people to otherize them so that they could go, oh yeah, look at those people. Ha ha ha. Of course, of course, if you're a right winger [00:07:18] and you don't think that that's happening, you're totally kidding yourself. And you live in a bubble. And guys, if you're again, if you're a right wing, you've done this. So your side has done this so many times. That's exactly what you did with gay marriage in 2004. That's what you did with the Southern strategy, with black people overall. [00:07:35] And you can say, no, no, I don't believe in American history. I think you're making it all up. I think all the history books are making it up all. ET cetera. We saw it with our own eyes and ears, and we see this with our own eyes and ears. Now, on the other hand, when you get to the specific policies that that's where there's some disagreements and it's fine to have disagreements. [00:07:53] You can't say no, we want maximalist position, and if everybody doesn't agree to that, then you're all anti-trans and anti LGBTQ and anti this and anti that. And I'm going to drive you all away from us. That's not helpful to protecting trans rights. Okay. In my opinion. [00:08:08] So when he says child sex mutilation I hate that they phrase it that way. And Matt Walsh Walsh has been a cancer in this country. He loves the culture wars. The Daily Wire loves culture wars because don't look away from the corporate tax cuts. [00:08:24] We're trying to do right. Because that's the real. That's where the money is. The money cares about the corporate tax cuts. And they want us ripping each other to shreds on the culture wars. Okay. So but at the same time, does that mean we should allow gender reassignment surgery before they're 18? [00:08:40] No. The American people do not agree with that. I don't agree with that. I don't think it's even close. Okay. So now secondly, military, he mentioned the military. Okay. See, that's a completely different issue on that issue. You're telling me some people want to go take a bullet for us [00:08:57] and we're going to stop them? What, are you, nuts? I don't want to go sign up for the military and get killed in some foreign war that Biden or Trump is going to send me to, because Israel wants it. But a transgender person signed up for the military. Let him serve. Let him serve. They're being patriotic. [00:09:12] And you don't stop them from being patriotic and being American and helping us with the military. So we need to get into sports. I think that, professional leagues should get to make up their own minds. And both sides disagree with that. Trump says, no, I'm going to make the decision for them, brother. [00:09:30] What do you know about the Boxing League or the Olympics or lacrosse or whatever the hell, right. You don't know. Let the leagues make their own decision. And to the trans activists who say no, they should not be allowed to make the decision, I should make the decision for them. Yeah, but that's not how it works. Okay. [00:09:46] I could say, hey, you know what? The NBA doesn't have enough, five, nine rotund Turkish dudes. I'm going to put it in. No, that's like, let the professional leagues make their own decisions. Okay, I know you'll hate that analogy. I know, I know, just being reasonable. Totally unreasonable. The world's upside down. [00:10:03] And then in the schools, last two things in the high schools. And then right wing is going to get super mad at me. So it's going to be great. Everybody's going to hate me. So in high school okay. There's like 13 kids who beat your daughter in cross country across the [00:10:20] whole country out of 330 million people. And oh my God, what if my daughter came in second? Oh, will she ever recover? And in return, because you're so worried about the 13 cases that it applies to, you're going to check the genitalia of millions of kids? No, I think it's a terrible idea. [00:10:36] Leave the kids alone. And then finally on the bathrooms. Guys, have you seen transgender people? So transgender person who is female looks female. And you want him to go in the guy's bathroom? And then transgender guys look like guys, and you want them to go [00:10:53] in the girls bathroom. And if they do, I guarantee you it's the right wing who will say, oh, what are they doing in here? Look at this person who looks like a guy in the women's bathroom. You did that, you knuckleheads, right? Let him just go to the bathroom in peace, for God's sake. All right, Jordan. I want to save time for the turning point discussion, [00:11:11] but I I'm curious how you can look at an issue like abortion or even you're saying, okay, well, why is Trump dictating what the NBA or professional sports leagues should do? [00:11:26] And you say, well, okay, clearly the government should be involved in those decisions. So how do you square that with okay. Well we should the government should also not allow these gender affirming care procedures for minors. Shouldn't that be between their parents and the doctor? [00:11:43] No. Because the state at some point has an interest in protecting children and protecting its citizens overall. - So it's a balance that implies. - It's inherently harmful, though. It does because they're changing their gender before they reach, before their brain actually reaches maturity enough to be able to make [00:12:00] decisions that are irreversible. So if you said to me, having nothing to do with gender. Nothing at all. Okay. Some people think because of a ritual that they have, or a religious philosophy that they should, chop off the arm or a leg of a child, I would say, no, I don't care. [00:12:17] Sorry, I love you, but I don't care about your religion. I'm not going to let you chop off their arms or legs. I'm not going to happen. That's an extreme hypothetical, but this is extreme. No it's not. No it's not. If somebody. No. Changing the genitalia of someone is not extreme. If if I honestly if it's if the parents and the kid, they've talked about it [00:12:34] with their doctor and they're like, that's this, this is who I am, it's how I feel. Why is the government making that decision? Because the government must protect the citizens and until the government. Okay. But then the government says, I got to protect you. So I'm not going to let you drink beer until you're 21. We think 21 is extreme, right? [00:12:49] But we would probably all agree to 18, 16 a number. Right. Because what? Well, no, these parents think that the kids should get vodka at the age of three. What what what? No. The government has an interest in protecting kids. You can't give your kids alcohol. Not at three. But that's not what. [00:13:04] And that's also not what's happening with trans people. So if you're at a restaurant with your kid and you want to give them a beer, you can you can do that. Okay, look, yes, but you can't keep giving them a beer. You can't. Like, I don't even know what rule or law that you're referring to. But also, if you're at home, the government doesn't kick in the door [00:13:20] and say, stop giving that kid a minor. No. If you if you say in front of a cop, your kid's drinking, your six year old's drinking vodka, you're going to get arrested. - But it's. - Not. It's not six. We're talking about, like. By the way, this is pre 18 includes six and three. So do you have a then give me a when can you like literally take your genitalia. [00:13:40] Like change it. Give me a number. Give me a number okay. But let's also come on let's talk about it okay. Let's let's be like respectful of the conversation. And then also like these are people we're talking about like these are there are people who say let's say they're 15 or 16 and they're like, this is not who I am. [00:13:55] Their parents respect that. Their doctor respects it. And you're still. Saying that government should do it as soon as they reach 18? Okay, but why? Why? If you're telling me it is wrong, it is potentially harmful to an 18 year old. Changing their genitalia forever and ever is not. [00:14:12] No, that's. Look on puberty blockers, for example. I agree with you. Because puberty blockers are reversible and and to the right wing. I say, guys, you're saying to parents you're not allowed to make that decision, I'm going to take your freedom away. So that's the same point you're making. [00:14:28] But the surgery is irreversible and it's gigantic. It's not a little thing, Jordan. But that's also not the majority of what people are doing. Oh, absolutely. I totally agree with you on that. So. Right. But the right wing demagogues as if like, that's a major thing. But Jordan, that's why you led with no no no no no no [00:14:45] I gave no, I didn't lead with Jordan. I gave you this. Conversation and. - I gave you the whole. - List. - No, no, on this topic. - In that list. Yeah. But, Jordan, no, you guys are making a bigger deal out of it by insisting on it, and then it brings the focus on that. And when you guys insist on that, that seems so outrageous [00:15:01] to the average American that they then wind up taking away more trans rights. But it's a very bad strategy in protecting trans rights on all the things that are absolutely essential. It's what people on the right have zeroed in on because they know it's a [00:15:17] to the average person, I think they'll see that as, oh, that's confusing to me. Whatever. However people interpret it, it's the left does it to the right, to people will like, try to paint the entire Republican Party as a party of Marjorie Taylor Greene's. It's just how politics works. So on this issue, people aren't making it the priority. [00:15:34] They're defending it because they want to defend it. Okay, so why would why? Here. Here's the example we used last time when we were talking about this. So I'm extreme left on gun control. I think that you shouldn't even be allowed to have a gun in your home. I think you should be in a locker. You know, as I say, that the right wing is now way more mad at me about that [00:15:51] than any other thing we just discussed. Right? But, guys, when we go to run a campaign, don't let me emphasize that issue. That's mental because that is not a winning popular issue. And by the way, in gun control, actual lives are on the line. Tens of thousands of people are being killed. [00:16:07] And my position is correct. If you have a home at gun at home, you're much more likely to to to get killed by a gun. So my position is far more inarguable. But the American people are not there. So how would I handle it if they say, hey, Jake, you want to do gun control? [00:16:23] I say, yeah, universal background check, because that pulls at 97% red flag laws, all the things that people agree with. And they say, Jake, isn't it true that your position is to not have one at home? It is, but I'm not going to do that. You know why? Because it's not popular and that's not what I'm running on. Period. Done. I'm done with it now. [00:16:39] I just got rid of it because I'm not going to do it. Okay, so what's the point of still talking about it? That's how you get. And I say, you know what? Elect me to a second term, and maybe I'll build up enough credibility to do my gun control laws that at that point might be doable. You got to win people over. But if you go and debate the right wing on that, it'll make it seem like the only [00:16:58] thing trans people care about is gender reassignment surgery before 18, and rhetorically, that's a nightmare. Get out of there. Get out of a losing issue. Get to the right issues where we need to. My God, we got to protect trans people from this bathroom nonsense. [00:17:15] Having to go into the wrong bathroom is not a little thing. It's a giant thing in their lives. And you're going to lose that. 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